There’s a chunk of the environmental movement that uses ‘techno-optimist’ as an insult. But, as it is high carbon technology that is causing most of our problems, swapping that out in favour of low carbon technology is surely a no-brainer? Who better to discuss this with than Professor Wayne Visser, ‘pracademic’ and the author of a forthcoming book, Technologies of Hope, (his 45th!). We spend a lot of time talking about how technological change happens – S curves, X curves, rebound effects – of and we cover Wayne’s poetry as well, another feature of the book.

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